Posts by Half banana

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When do the 2300 days begin?

by Kosonen in

when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

Kosonen, let's put your theory into context. Do you think that an all knowing and loving creator would give his devotees this extremely obscure information which only you and possibly a handful of others have figured out?

If your children were stuck in some godless labyrinth, all about to die and desperately wanting to escape; would you give them cryptic mathematical clues -- which may or may not work?

Of course not, you would be very specific because you love your children!

You have been away from the JW business now for at least 12 years but dare I say that you are still infected with the JW 'end time' mentality trap. And the world is not going to end! And Covid 19 is just a small blip in the history of pandemics, far, far worse have visited mankind and the world trundled on.

I say this with genuine concern for you because like nearly everyone else on this site.... we were all deluded and snagged on Armageddon and paradise. It's a fantasy!

We looked to the Bible as an authority and we looked to the JW organisation as being divinely guided. Sorry to say, BOTH of these 'authorities' are intellectually unsustainable.

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When do the 2300 days begin?

by Kosonen in

when to begin the countdown of the 2300 days?

to get an idea, it could be helpful to discern when those days end relative to time times and half a time.. i see a possibility that the 2300 days end the same day as the 1260 days.

that is because the woman in revelation 12 will be fed 1260 days.

Half banana

Kosonen were you aware the the book of Daniel was written in the Hellenistic Classical period as a historical novel about ancient Babylon? He wrote a good yarn like Dan Brown might write today.

There is no such thing as useful prophecy! The Bible was compiled as a political tool by Roman power for Roman unity. It's so full of errors, contradictions, unreliable history and hype that it's really not worth too much attention.

'Holiness' is a human construct used by religious leaders to enslave the herd.

Fortunately there are accurate and useful sources of information very much worth reading and readily available.

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Alert: Following blindly jw.org these day / RISK

by Gorbatchov in

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friends

this night i could not sleep and my thoughts went on and on.

the result:.

i observe that many jw family members follow the instructions of the elders at zoom meetings like they come directly from god.

Half banana

Most religious folk want to see evidence of their supernatural beliefs, they want a bit of the action so to speak.

Jehovah's Witnesses also want to see some actual manifestation of their deeply held hopes -- but alas! the Watchtower in 141 years has never got anything right and never will because it is a self serving and deliberately ignorant cult whose only interest is in its own preservation.

Consequently when something extraordinary happens like the corona pandemic, they herald it as a divine signal. In wish fulfilment, "This is it!" they think, "Yes it's actually starting" they say. However no one -- no one who is sane, actually sees or claims evidence for the work of a spirit world because it only lives in the collective imagination of believers.

So this is not the beginning of the end, there is no end, it's a pandemic. We cope as best we can and look forward to when it's finished but the JW will say afterwards in an attempt to justify their mistake, "Jerhoover has given us a foretaste of what is to come" and stick their stupid heads back in the sand.

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Fading

by Cordelia18 in

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hi i was on here a few years ago, i ended up caving to family pressure and returning to the borg i've since married and have 2 children .

all the reasons i returned are still here, my parents are elderly and i really don't want to hurt them but i just can't do it anymore i need to leave before my kids are brainwashed, i need to be clever this time .

last time i was dfed and became dependant on drink i am in aa and sober now and learning the true meaning of sprituality i know without a doubt that it is a dangerous cult, but i need some tips on fading, its so hard when i want to shout from the roof tops how blind they are.

Half banana

Hi Cordelia and welcome!

Yes fading is the right way to go... The first thing to remember is never to indicate that you don't agree with the teachings of the organisation, to do so means an unfriendly inquisition and you will be disfellowshipped -- which would make family contact difficult.

So the best way to fade is to take it slowly and claim anything other than religious reasons for not attending. Say you are busy with other things for example but never go into details -- it's none of their business! Avoid calls from elders and don't turn up or answer the door if they say they are coming. They will hound you so be resolved to fade away from their attention. (They do give up in the end).

Look after your parents and all the best with your future life free of the obnoxious Borg.

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Any suggestions

by Xena73 in

i just woke up and i'm new on here.

if your an unbaptized publisher can you be disfellowshipped or dissociated?

please send me a message.

Half banana

Hi Xena and welcome! You were never 'fellowshipped' in the first place so you can't be dis-fellowshipped. Lucky you! Just drift away, they have no authority over you.

If you have a grievance and like Anna Marina have a stack of intellectual weapons to fight with, then you might want to show them where they are wrong or why you can't continue but remember, brick walls are more responsive to reason than a fully committed JW is.

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July 2020 Watchtower - A little observation

by Listener in

this is a comment made in the latest study watchtower under the main discussion of humility.

11 jehovah values humility more than ability and unity more than eﬃciency.

therefore, do your best to serve jehovah with humility.

Half banana

Whatever it is that the GB need to further their paradise fraud, they find a scripture or two and say that their thoughts are what Jehovah wants. . . and the lowly-worm JWs buy it! And what does the GB want: to have an uncomplaining and compliant workforce who don't need to be paid.

The governing body are cunning little scripture twisters bending the Bible round to their own vision.

Indeed Listener, efficiency and ability are not related directly to humility. However it is not the inclination of uneducated slaves to seek out efficient working methods.

I assume the reason for the Watchtower mentioning this is because 1 it has been pointed out how grossly inefficient preaching has become (what up to 15,000 preaching hours spent to gain one new recruit -- and most of them are the children of JWs to start with!) and 2 that the religion is attracting a diminishing number of people with "ability"? The latter being inevitable when the official JW line is "don't get an education".

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Great. Like the Concentration Camps, it seems Corona Virus is boosting not reducing the Jehovahs' msg?

by Isambard Crater in

their official web site says that national television stations and radio stations in africa were happy to broadcast the memorial and even other talks!!

!.

Half banana

We are talking here about places like Zimbabwe, one of the basket cases of an African nation. One person in 309 (I think it is) claims to be a JW... it used to be a lot higher when I was too.

The connection is clear: rotten and corrupt government makes for a depressed population, depressed population lacking leadership and hope means that the false JW offer of everlasting life in paradise, in the minds of the desperate, resembles a genuine ticket to escape.

The TV stations will take anyone's money.

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Coping/Living/Understanding

by justangel in

i’m relatively new to this forum but am far from new when it comes to living life as a jw.

i wanted to throw out there my own personal experience and feelings and welcome any conversations (i’m mighty chatty and don’t have much for friends when it comes to jw’s) .

i hit the turning of an era nearly a month ago of legally becoming an adult, raised as a j dub my whole life.

Half banana

Hello Justangel and welcome to the site!

Just about everything the Watchtower says is exactly wrong, DO the opposite!

Yes the one big thing the JW org doesn't want is that you should think for yourself. So therefore: think for yourself.

The result of being a JW is to become a docile unquestioning sheep, such individuals are easier to control. Therefore : question everything and follow knowledge not beliefs.

The GB want you to rely on them for guidance, if things go wrong it can be blamed on a fictional Satan. Trust instead on your own cultivated judgements and be responsible for your own mistakes.

The JW org does not want you to get a good education, the leaders are not well educated themselves and hate being asked questions they cannot answer. Therefore whatever you do, aim to get a very good education.

These measures will give you self confidence, a critical thinking ability, a realistic view of life and a career which will support you and a family if you want one.

Remaining a JW will probably keep you one remove from poverty and held committed to an ignorant religious cult... what a terrible prospect! So while you are planning your escape you can bear these things in mind and look forward to developing your own identity as an ex-JW and responsible adult.

Perhaps start studying now a subject you really enjoy which could be studied at college level?

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My sister just sent me this text.

by Brainfloss in

my sister sent me this text a few minutes ago.

what does she know about my relationship with jehovah?

it was followed up by a bunch of links to jw org problem is dialog is not possible her side is the only one to be heard.

Half banana

Jehovah's Witnesses live in a childish fantasy.

Since when did Jehovah do anything at all? How can anything be attributed solely to Jehovah's doing? There is no evidence for any deity let alone Jehovah, therefore he and his exploits live only in the realm of fairy tales.

The only evidence for YHVH is in the evolution of an ox-headed idol the Hebrews inherited from their Phoenician neighbours way back in the Bronze Age. Who would want to "draw close" to this monster as your sister is recommending? Jehovah hates everything the Hebrews hated back then. This god's 'love' for his devotees involved killing all those who disagreed with him including smashing the heads in of all the children who were not his followers. It's far worse than childish -- worshipping Jehovah was routinely evil exactly like the exploits of other pagan gods at the time. In Isaiah 45 v7 (and elsewhere) God says he does good and evil. He is a jealous god with a short temper, completely fabricated from the worst qualities of fanatical nationalist zealots. Have nothing to do with it.

Help your poor deluded sister with the milk of human kindness and fellow feeling, help her to escape the madness which comes from slavish obedience to this crackpot religion.

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Ever wonder how to be "saved" as a JW?

by sir82 in

i was searching for something on the wt online library, and was struck by all the requirements a jw has in order to be "saved".. want to see a partial list?

all these found by searching for "salvation depends" on wol.

just do all 26 things, and you too can be saved!.

Half banana

Hey good people, do you all feel lost or are you in need of being saved in the first place?

It's a bit like a quack doctor telling you that you are suffering from a deadly disease (Peccatus adamicus), something that you weren't aware you had -- and then being told by this dodgy medic that you must buy his medicine because only he can cure you.